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		<title>By: Loving the 100%</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/801#comment-3968</link>
		<dc:creator>Loving the 100%</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dill Doe

Sorry, meant to say &quot;failing where it matters most&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dill Doe</p>
<p>Sorry, meant to say &#8220;failing where it matters most&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Loving the 100%</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/801#comment-3967</link>
		<dc:creator>Loving the 100%</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dill Doe

The system your hard earned money is going to support is failing those who need it most.

I sense that you want your tax deductions to help those in need ~ I hope I have said enough to show you that the contribution to society you&#039;ve been led to believe you are making is not serving this purpose.

You have been deceived in this as much as everyone else.

This movement is about waking us all up to this reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dill Doe</p>
<p>The system your hard earned money is going to support is failing those who need it most.</p>
<p>I sense that you want your tax deductions to help those in need ~ I hope I have said enough to show you that the contribution to society you&#8217;ve been led to believe you are making is not serving this purpose.</p>
<p>You have been deceived in this as much as everyone else.</p>
<p>This movement is about waking us all up to this reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Loving the 100%</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/801#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator>Loving the 100%</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@h.o.p.e.
I haven&#039;t been reading elsewhere today so I&#039;m not uptodate on what&#039;s going on elsewhere on here at the moment ~ so thank you :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@h.o.p.e.<br />
I haven&#8217;t been reading elsewhere today so I&#8217;m not uptodate on what&#8217;s going on elsewhere on here at the moment ~ so thank you <img src='http://occupylondon.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: human of planet earth</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/801#comment-3965</link>
		<dc:creator>human of planet earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Loving the 100%

I have &#039;listened&#039; to what you have written, sincerely.

and h.o.p.e. I have not been out of order relaying awareness of your reply to Dill Doe, to him/her in another area of discussion. in case he has not seen this reply of yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Loving the 100%</p>
<p>I have &#8216;listened&#8217; to what you have written, sincerely.</p>
<p>and h.o.p.e. I have not been out of order relaying awareness of your reply to Dill Doe, to him/her in another area of discussion. in case he has not seen this reply of yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Loving the 100%</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/801#comment-3964</link>
		<dc:creator>Loving the 100%</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as the system is concerned I am probably worthless because I&#039;m not generating any £s for it.  I earn too little to pay tax and I don&#039;t have £s to spend on consumerism to boost the economy.  The few £s I do earn on a self-employed basis are just enough to cover my basic needs (I am happy with this btw ~ no complaints here).

So, as far as the system is concerned I may be worthless ~ but what about to the individuals I now pour my life out in helping? ~ not so to them it seems.  It is what they have been longing for apparently and is of far greater value than anything that the system can provide.  They went to the system and the system failed them ~ now they are finding exactly what they&#039;ve been longing for outside of the system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as the system is concerned I am probably worthless because I&#8217;m not generating any £s for it.  I earn too little to pay tax and I don&#8217;t have £s to spend on consumerism to boost the economy.  The few £s I do earn on a self-employed basis are just enough to cover my basic needs (I am happy with this btw ~ no complaints here).</p>
<p>So, as far as the system is concerned I may be worthless ~ but what about to the individuals I now pour my life out in helping? ~ not so to them it seems.  It is what they have been longing for apparently and is of far greater value than anything that the system can provide.  They went to the system and the system failed them ~ now they are finding exactly what they&#8217;ve been longing for outside of the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Loving the 100%</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/801#comment-3963</link>
		<dc:creator>Loving the 100%</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The economy is a slave master.  It doesn&#039;t exist to serve us, but to be served.  It says that in order to receive from it you have to become its slave ~ perpetuating its agenda to make you more of a slave to it.  But who is benefitting where it really matters?  Who is receiving anything of REAL value in life from it?

What people desire more than anything is love (it may take them a long time to ccome to this conclusion) ~ is there any love in this beast?  NO!!!  It is self-serving and only gives the impresssion of caring in order to trap you into serving it.

We have all been deceived into serving this beast, but many are now waking up ~ hurray!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economy is a slave master.  It doesn&#8217;t exist to serve us, but to be served.  It says that in order to receive from it you have to become its slave ~ perpetuating its agenda to make you more of a slave to it.  But who is benefitting where it really matters?  Who is receiving anything of REAL value in life from it?</p>
<p>What people desire more than anything is love (it may take them a long time to ccome to this conclusion) ~ is there any love in this beast?  NO!!!  It is self-serving and only gives the impresssion of caring in order to trap you into serving it.</p>
<p>We have all been deceived into serving this beast, but many are now waking up ~ hurray!</p>
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		<title>By: Loving the 100%</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/801#comment-3962</link>
		<dc:creator>Loving the 100%</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dill Doe
I have no idea whether you&#039;ll be back to read this but I&#039;ll post it anyway just in case.

The experience I shared above opened my eyes up to some things which I had previously been blind to.

Firstly, having assessed my value to society based upon my ability to make it in the world, my demise was completely shattering to me.  In my eyes I was less of a person for having had a nervous breakdown and for becoming bankrupt.  What&#039;s more, I couldn&#039;t even do anything to put it right again ~ I was totally beyond helping myself.  I had been a resourceful person who always found a way to make it ~ but suddenly all that resourcefulness was gone.

So, was I worth any less?

My career had spanned various types of work.  I had been a manager in the police, a tv program and promotional video editor, as well as a variety of other tasks.  I remember several times throughout my career, sitting behind my desk and feeling the sense that I wanted to do something more worthwhile with my life.  In all of this I was paying a good amount of tax £s, but to me there was still a sense of dissatisfaction that my life wasn&#039;t reaching the parts that I could sense needed reaching.

I can now see that it was because I was trapped in a system that&#039;s purpose is to serve the beast called the economy.  I was pouring my life into serving something that wasn&#039;t actually reaching the spot.  I may have to come back again later to explain what I mean by that in a better way.

The whole system is set up so that we all feed this beast called the economy.  Why?  To create jobs, I hear some say.  Hmm, I see that there is plenty of work that needs doing in society.  The care homes are full of lonely people who need some time and attention.  I&#039;m not talking about paid employment here, but just loving care.  Homes throughout the nation are filled with lonely individuals, again who need time and attention.  Many are unable to contribute in the way we are used to assessing what contributing means ~ but you may be surprised.

At one stage I went to find out about claiming Jobseekers allowance.  In order to get some financial help I would have  to sign a declaration that I would be doing a certain amount of things to prove that I was actively seeking full-time paid employment.  Fair enough, you may say.  But the onus was on &quot;paid&quot; employment.  So, the work that I do in helping people for free would have had to be overridden by the offer of paid employment in order to be  entitled to any financial help in the meantime.  This paid employment would then have demanded my full-time attention and I would no longer have had the time to do what is already helping people in a way that far exceeds what I have ever done through paid employment ~ it just didn&#039;t feel right to me.  And this is the system that taxes are funding!

I have been self-employed for several years now and I must say that through it I have a freedom to help people as and when its needed the most, not restained by the rules of the system.  I can help people where they need it the most without having to bow down to rediculous rules about what I can and can&#039;t do to meet the requirements of the law eg health and safety regs.

Instead of pouring my life into a job who&#039;s purpose is to serve the beast, I now have unlimited time available to spend with people who are desperate to be heard and understood.  You cannot put a monetary value on this.  It is not something that throwing £s at will serve.

I was with someone who has known me their whole life yesterday who has been through the system ~ seen counsellors, done the courses blah, blah, blah.  But they still feel as neglected and misunderstood as ever.  We shared together and cried together and let it all pour out together.  I was told that the time I spent with them yesterday was of far greater value to them than anything they had ever experienced in their life before.  At last they feel that they belong!  (They are well off in economic terms btw.)

So, I come back to my question about how much I&#039;m worth.

In terms of myself ~ I am now able to see that I was worth no more when I was working to serve the beast than I was after my demise.  In terms of how others are perceiving it though ~ it seems that I am contributing something of far greater value to individuals now than I ever was before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dill Doe<br />
I have no idea whether you&#8217;ll be back to read this but I&#8217;ll post it anyway just in case.</p>
<p>The experience I shared above opened my eyes up to some things which I had previously been blind to.</p>
<p>Firstly, having assessed my value to society based upon my ability to make it in the world, my demise was completely shattering to me.  In my eyes I was less of a person for having had a nervous breakdown and for becoming bankrupt.  What&#8217;s more, I couldn&#8217;t even do anything to put it right again ~ I was totally beyond helping myself.  I had been a resourceful person who always found a way to make it ~ but suddenly all that resourcefulness was gone.</p>
<p>So, was I worth any less?</p>
<p>My career had spanned various types of work.  I had been a manager in the police, a tv program and promotional video editor, as well as a variety of other tasks.  I remember several times throughout my career, sitting behind my desk and feeling the sense that I wanted to do something more worthwhile with my life.  In all of this I was paying a good amount of tax £s, but to me there was still a sense of dissatisfaction that my life wasn&#8217;t reaching the parts that I could sense needed reaching.</p>
<p>I can now see that it was because I was trapped in a system that&#8217;s purpose is to serve the beast called the economy.  I was pouring my life into serving something that wasn&#8217;t actually reaching the spot.  I may have to come back again later to explain what I mean by that in a better way.</p>
<p>The whole system is set up so that we all feed this beast called the economy.  Why?  To create jobs, I hear some say.  Hmm, I see that there is plenty of work that needs doing in society.  The care homes are full of lonely people who need some time and attention.  I&#8217;m not talking about paid employment here, but just loving care.  Homes throughout the nation are filled with lonely individuals, again who need time and attention.  Many are unable to contribute in the way we are used to assessing what contributing means ~ but you may be surprised.</p>
<p>At one stage I went to find out about claiming Jobseekers allowance.  In order to get some financial help I would have  to sign a declaration that I would be doing a certain amount of things to prove that I was actively seeking full-time paid employment.  Fair enough, you may say.  But the onus was on &#8220;paid&#8221; employment.  So, the work that I do in helping people for free would have had to be overridden by the offer of paid employment in order to be  entitled to any financial help in the meantime.  This paid employment would then have demanded my full-time attention and I would no longer have had the time to do what is already helping people in a way that far exceeds what I have ever done through paid employment ~ it just didn&#8217;t feel right to me.  And this is the system that taxes are funding!</p>
<p>I have been self-employed for several years now and I must say that through it I have a freedom to help people as and when its needed the most, not restained by the rules of the system.  I can help people where they need it the most without having to bow down to rediculous rules about what I can and can&#8217;t do to meet the requirements of the law eg health and safety regs.</p>
<p>Instead of pouring my life into a job who&#8217;s purpose is to serve the beast, I now have unlimited time available to spend with people who are desperate to be heard and understood.  You cannot put a monetary value on this.  It is not something that throwing £s at will serve.</p>
<p>I was with someone who has known me their whole life yesterday who has been through the system ~ seen counsellors, done the courses blah, blah, blah.  But they still feel as neglected and misunderstood as ever.  We shared together and cried together and let it all pour out together.  I was told that the time I spent with them yesterday was of far greater value to them than anything they had ever experienced in their life before.  At last they feel that they belong!  (They are well off in economic terms btw.)</p>
<p>So, I come back to my question about how much I&#8217;m worth.</p>
<p>In terms of myself ~ I am now able to see that I was worth no more when I was working to serve the beast than I was after my demise.  In terms of how others are perceiving it though ~ it seems that I am contributing something of far greater value to individuals now than I ever was before.</p>
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		<title>By: Loving the 100%</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/801#comment-3961</link>
		<dc:creator>Loving the 100%</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Dill Doe
Sorry to intervene in the banter going on here but I feel led to share a little with you about my own experience.
I was what some might call a high-flyer in previous years.  I gained an education up to MBA level, whilst working full-time in a good job.  I was a career girl ~ making good progress.  I had my own home, car, several holidays a year blah, blah, blah.
I loved my work and ended up working upto 100 hours a week ~ enjoying it all.  The thing was I was emotionally bankrupt.  I wont go into detail but just to say that eventually I had a nervous breakdown.
To cut a long story short I lost everything.  I ended up living in a tent on my own on a mountainside ~ because I had nowhere else to go.
I refrained from seeking benefits and found that I was able to live on the £10 a week I was able to earn through helping a friend with some cleaning round her home.  In spite of having such a wonderful education and so much work experience and skills, it was completely useless to me at that time.  I was simply emotionally incapable at that time of doing anything else.
I was a &quot;tenter&quot; or &quot;tented-one&quot; as you refer to them.  I lived like that for 5 months and then someone offered me a bed when the weather started getting colder and wetter.  She did this out of the goodenss of her heart knowing that I had no way of paying for accomodation.
That was a few years ago and its different to that now, but the experience had a very profound effect on me.
To experience a nervous breakdown was a very humbling experience as was going bankrupt, as I&#039;d been a fiercly independant and self-sufficient person up until then.  Suddenly, my education and all my skills and abilities meant diddly squat.  Suddenly, I couldn&#039;t look after myself, and needed the help of others.   If you&#039;d seen me you may well have put me in the same category as those you&#039;re now focussing on.
I don&#039;t know why I&#039;m sharing this with you other than I just feel led to do so.  I&#039;ll leave it there for now.

Regarding the joy you say you feel ~ I&#039;ve got to admit that I don&#039;t understand how you can be feeling joy, while at the same time attacking others.  In my own experience, when I&#039;m feeling joy it makes me want to embrace people, not attack them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dill Doe<br />
Sorry to intervene in the banter going on here but I feel led to share a little with you about my own experience.<br />
I was what some might call a high-flyer in previous years.  I gained an education up to MBA level, whilst working full-time in a good job.  I was a career girl ~ making good progress.  I had my own home, car, several holidays a year blah, blah, blah.<br />
I loved my work and ended up working upto 100 hours a week ~ enjoying it all.  The thing was I was emotionally bankrupt.  I wont go into detail but just to say that eventually I had a nervous breakdown.<br />
To cut a long story short I lost everything.  I ended up living in a tent on my own on a mountainside ~ because I had nowhere else to go.<br />
I refrained from seeking benefits and found that I was able to live on the £10 a week I was able to earn through helping a friend with some cleaning round her home.  In spite of having such a wonderful education and so much work experience and skills, it was completely useless to me at that time.  I was simply emotionally incapable at that time of doing anything else.<br />
I was a &#8220;tenter&#8221; or &#8220;tented-one&#8221; as you refer to them.  I lived like that for 5 months and then someone offered me a bed when the weather started getting colder and wetter.  She did this out of the goodenss of her heart knowing that I had no way of paying for accomodation.<br />
That was a few years ago and its different to that now, but the experience had a very profound effect on me.<br />
To experience a nervous breakdown was a very humbling experience as was going bankrupt, as I&#8217;d been a fiercly independant and self-sufficient person up until then.  Suddenly, my education and all my skills and abilities meant diddly squat.  Suddenly, I couldn&#8217;t look after myself, and needed the help of others.   If you&#8217;d seen me you may well have put me in the same category as those you&#8217;re now focussing on.<br />
I don&#8217;t know why I&#8217;m sharing this with you other than I just feel led to do so.  I&#8217;ll leave it there for now.</p>
<p>Regarding the joy you say you feel ~ I&#8217;ve got to admit that I don&#8217;t understand how you can be feeling joy, while at the same time attacking others.  In my own experience, when I&#8217;m feeling joy it makes me want to embrace people, not attack them.</p>
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		<title>By: human of planet earth</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/801#comment-3960</link>
		<dc:creator>human of planet earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[btw

You seem to have not been back on the &#039;welfare&#039; thread ?]]></description>
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<p>You seem to have not been back on the &#8216;welfare&#8217; thread ?</p>
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		<title>By: Dill Doe</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/801#comment-3959</link>
		<dc:creator>Dill Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, calm it, don&#039;t get too excited there Captain Canvas!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, calm it, don&#8217;t get too excited there Captain Canvas!</p>
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