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		<title>By: Make Money Online! Super Easy, Intructions,</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/799#comment-3923</link>
		<dc:creator>Make Money Online! Super Easy, Intructions,</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone essentially help to make critically posts I&#039;d state. This is the first time I frequented your website page and up to now? I amazed with the research you made to make this actual put up incredible. Fantastic process!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone essentially help to make critically posts I&#8217;d state. This is the first time I frequented your website page and up to now? I amazed with the research you made to make this actual put up incredible. Fantastic process!</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Hanrahan (@OiJake)</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/799#comment-3922</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Hanrahan (@OiJake)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jim,

I honestly can&#039;t say I got into the nitty gritty of where the donations actually go, but I can tell you that from what I saw there, things like constant recycling, a full media tent, effectively a canteen with cooks and shelves, a music tent and many other good things, that the money is most likely being put back into the well being of the encampment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>I honestly can&#8217;t say I got into the nitty gritty of where the donations actually go, but I can tell you that from what I saw there, things like constant recycling, a full media tent, effectively a canteen with cooks and shelves, a music tent and many other good things, that the money is most likely being put back into the well being of the encampment.</p>
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		<title>By: human of planet earth</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/799#comment-3921</link>
		<dc:creator>human of planet earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris,

With you all the way , life should and can be much simpler to live.
I have a saying that goes
&quot;life is too long&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>With you all the way , life should and can be much simpler to live.<br />
I have a saying that goes<br />
&#8220;life is too long&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: human of planet earth</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/799#comment-3920</link>
		<dc:creator>human of planet earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bloody marvelously put.
Needs to be at the start of every debate.
I think I want a new form of communism, that works , but you cant dare say communism it has been tarnished by bad examples.
So YES lets lose the labeling. Progress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloody marvelously put.<br />
Needs to be at the start of every debate.<br />
I think I want a new form of communism, that works , but you cant dare say communism it has been tarnished by bad examples.<br />
So YES lets lose the labeling. Progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Hidden member of society</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/799#comment-3919</link>
		<dc:creator>Hidden member of society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://occupylondon.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/799#comment-3918</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;This should include minimum requirements for reducing reliance
&gt;on fossil fuels and to expand, grow, and build companies in a
&gt;way which limits harm to the environment and encourages
&gt;working with and committing to helping those in their local
&gt;communities.
I&#039;d hope our future civilisation takes environmental and community concerns as priorities 1 though to 17 and only then considers expanding and growinf companies.

Nobody is all that keen on things like improved productivity and growth and the like apart from the fat cats that don&#039;t have to put in the hard graft to make it so, the vast moajority of people would rather they had more time to spend with their families and friends and hobbies and interests than see a share price go up - assuming they had the basics in life to a sufficient standard, but again, I hope that a decent living for all would be part of the new design, not just those who are &#039;successful&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;This should include minimum requirements for reducing reliance<br />
&gt;on fossil fuels and to expand, grow, and build companies in a<br />
&gt;way which limits harm to the environment and encourages<br />
&gt;working with and committing to helping those in their local<br />
&gt;communities.<br />
I&#8217;d hope our future civilisation takes environmental and community concerns as priorities 1 though to 17 and only then considers expanding and growinf companies.</p>
<p>Nobody is all that keen on things like improved productivity and growth and the like apart from the fat cats that don&#8217;t have to put in the hard graft to make it so, the vast moajority of people would rather they had more time to spend with their families and friends and hobbies and interests than see a share price go up &#8211; assuming they had the basics in life to a sufficient standard, but again, I hope that a decent living for all would be part of the new design, not just those who are &#8216;successful&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/799#comment-3917</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;[let&#039;s] f*ck off the whole left/right thing please
Well said, and while we&#039;re about it, how about we ditch words like &#039;marxism&#039;, &#039;capitalism&#039; and &#039;socialism&#039; etc. - at least when describing the future.

The words may be useful to categorise what happened before but we don&#039;t need them any more, they carry too much baggage and what one person means by them can be quite different to another&#039;s take.

As an example, many have called me a marxist after I&#039;ve ranted to them awhile, but I reject the label because while some of my views seem to run roughly in parallel with some of the little I know of marxism, it imples all sorts of things about my views that are probably quite wrong and I see no sense in studying it in depth just to decide whether or not I am one.

So yes, let&#039;s ditch the old labels unless used in a historical context, we need something new that may well take facets from all the old systems, but isn&#039;t any of them.

Arguably they&#039;ve all been tried and found wanting anyway, apart from a resource-based economy that is... can we try that for 100 years and see how it goes ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;[let's] f*ck off the whole left/right thing please<br />
Well said, and while we&#8217;re about it, how about we ditch words like &#8216;marxism&#8217;, &#8216;capitalism&#8217; and &#8216;socialism&#8217; etc. &#8211; at least when describing the future.</p>
<p>The words may be useful to categorise what happened before but we don&#8217;t need them any more, they carry too much baggage and what one person means by them can be quite different to another&#8217;s take.</p>
<p>As an example, many have called me a marxist after I&#8217;ve ranted to them awhile, but I reject the label because while some of my views seem to run roughly in parallel with some of the little I know of marxism, it imples all sorts of things about my views that are probably quite wrong and I see no sense in studying it in depth just to decide whether or not I am one.</p>
<p>So yes, let&#8217;s ditch the old labels unless used in a historical context, we need something new that may well take facets from all the old systems, but isn&#8217;t any of them.</p>
<p>Arguably they&#8217;ve all been tried and found wanting anyway, apart from a resource-based economy that is&#8230; can we try that for 100 years and see how it goes ?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/799#comment-3916</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;Once those high earners and their wealth is gone then there
&gt;would be an associated drop in consumer spending, which
&gt;will eventually filter down as lost jobs for those in working classes.
This is only a problem if the system that is implemented by the eventual consensus is as crazy as the one we have now, i.e. can only survive if people keep buying more and more stuff&#039;.

Buying food and other essentials is one thing (unless we ditch currency altogether, which I favour) but I hope that our future civilisation will be based more on people doing things and being things rather than just buying things and then wanting another, slightly better version of the same thing a few months later, which seems to be the main focus of life in the UK and way wider at present.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Once those high earners and their wealth is gone then there<br />
&gt;would be an associated drop in consumer spending, which<br />
&gt;will eventually filter down as lost jobs for those in working classes.<br />
This is only a problem if the system that is implemented by the eventual consensus is as crazy as the one we have now, i.e. can only survive if people keep buying more and more stuff&#8217;.</p>
<p>Buying food and other essentials is one thing (unless we ditch currency altogether, which I favour) but I hope that our future civilisation will be based more on people doing things and being things rather than just buying things and then wanting another, slightly better version of the same thing a few months later, which seems to be the main focus of life in the UK and way wider at present.</p>
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		<title>By: Hidden Member of Society</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/799#comment-3915</link>
		<dc:creator>Hidden Member of Society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 00:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is right that the behaviour is what is our focus to change, but it would be wrong to Disassociate it completely from the human beings that do the behaviour, because it could stop us and them seeing the full picture to help us and them achieve change.

Human beings have a choice and may have differing reasons for the choices they make. So I personally will not disassociate the two. It is the people that need to be convinced that their behaviour is inappropriate.

I also will not treat people like they are a thing, a behaviour, which is the same as what the people, that are seeing their greed as more important than people, are doing; so by attaching the behaviour to them as human beings will hopefully help teach them to start seeing us as human beings.

But I agree with what you are saying in the context that the emotions WE feel, such as anger, should only be directed towards the behaviour, so we stay in control of our own actions to prevent forms of violence, or retaliation. But you don&#039;t have to detach the behaviour from the person to achieve this.

Have I made sense? Sorry, it&#039;s a bit long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is right that the behaviour is what is our focus to change, but it would be wrong to Disassociate it completely from the human beings that do the behaviour, because it could stop us and them seeing the full picture to help us and them achieve change.</p>
<p>Human beings have a choice and may have differing reasons for the choices they make. So I personally will not disassociate the two. It is the people that need to be convinced that their behaviour is inappropriate.</p>
<p>I also will not treat people like they are a thing, a behaviour, which is the same as what the people, that are seeing their greed as more important than people, are doing; so by attaching the behaviour to them as human beings will hopefully help teach them to start seeing us as human beings.</p>
<p>But I agree with what you are saying in the context that the emotions WE feel, such as anger, should only be directed towards the behaviour, so we stay in control of our own actions to prevent forms of violence, or retaliation. But you don&#8217;t have to detach the behaviour from the person to achieve this.</p>
<p>Have I made sense? Sorry, it&#8217;s a bit long.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/799#comment-3914</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hear hear!

I too am against unfair and unjust behaviour and action - but not the people who are carrying them out.

It&#039;s an important distinction to make.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear!</p>
<p>I too am against unfair and unjust behaviour and action &#8211; but not the people who are carrying them out.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an important distinction to make.</p>
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