Comments on: Occupy London Statement on Today's March

By: mark

mark — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:34:36 +0000

Jock Strap, despite saying you would you don’t seem to have replied to Howard’s request for you to explain what you dislike about the Occupy Movement.
Are you ready to stop throwing insults and engage in some intelligent debate instead? We’re waiting…

By: Eddie

Eddie — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:14:07 +0000

Penneth’s worth here…
I have read a lot of comments on this site and it is intriguing to finally see the human side of dear old Jock.
Jock, in case you are interested, the impression you give on most of the threads I have read your comments on is of wading in rudely casting aspersions and insulting stereotypes about that completely cloud any efforts you may actually be making to genuinely engage with people. I now at last get the impression quite clearly here that you have concern and even fear about this movement in that it could lead to the dismantling of the current system that you feel secure with, even though you see its imperfections. This is an incredibly valid and insightful point, that is that a large proportion of the older more conservative leaning proportion of (if you will excuse the contentious expression the 99% must feel this way. It is something that this movement will need to engage with if it is really to grow substantially, and it may not be easy to get beyond the attitude that people like Mr Strap quite naturally in their mainstream media world view maintain.
Jock, it is really good to hear your suggestions and I would like to suggest that at this stage it may be a first step for you and 4 or 5 of your friends to set up a meeting with 4 or 5 members of the OLSX movement to find out that neither of you are the “enemy” of the other and that both parties have a lot to gain in understanding each other better.
So how about it?
Anyway, just my thoughts, I am not part of OLSX, just another of the percentages floating about somewhere between 1 and 99…

By: Bored of the corporate apologists

Bored of the corporate apologists — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:07:39 +0000

Jock Strap wrote:Just a thought, maybe that the 1% are not as bad as they are being made out to be, and maybe, we could all co-exist in peace and mutual prosperity.

Well. Here’s a few answers as to why not:
Shell gunned down protesters in cold blood in Nigeria http://wiwavshell.org/the-case-against-shell/
The US military has imprisoned Bradley Manning for more than 18 months under inhuman conditions, without any trial.
Companies in the USA poisoned a huge aquifer by “fracking”, to the extent that people can light their tap water on fire, and then denied any responsibility (“you can’t prove it was us!”)
Goldman Sachs has created a “bubble” in the price of food, driving up global wheat and rice prices threefold and pushing millions over the starvation threshold, simply to make short-term profit http://johannhari.com/2010/07/02/how-goldman-sachs-gambling-on-starving-the-worlds-poor-and-won/

This is the tip of the tip of the tip of the tip of the ice berg. How are these people “not as bad as they’re made out to be”? How?? If you’re not going to stand up against these people, how can you pretend that you have any moral sense whatsoever?

Jock Strap wrote:At the same time, sadly, I realise that there is a very unpleasant minority in society, who only seek confrontation and violence, who will, without doubt, take over this organisation, and perpertuate (sic) violent acts in your name.

Riiiight…. Because this “unpleasant minority” would obviously be part of a non-violent resistance movement, in your view. And yet the people responsible for the above atrocities are misunderstood and well-meaning, and everybody should “engage” with them.
Bleah. This is word salad. It’s so illogical and self-contradictory that if you hadn’t already destroyed all of your own credibility on this board, this would surely do it.

By: Loving the 100%

Loving the 100% — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:21:44 +0000

Heck!

By: Jock Strap

Jock Strap — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:20:28 +0000

Skip the hyber hug, just concentrate on the real world, I may end up liking you!!

By: Loving the 100%

Loving the 100% — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:10:20 +0000

I wish you well too whoever you are. I’d give you a cyber hug but not sure how I feel about hugging a jockstrap.

By: Jock Strap

Jock Strap — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:03:57 +0000

Well, whoever you are, I wish you well! I also, seriously hope that those I know that want violence, fail miserably.

By: For the 100%

For the 100% — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:57:01 +0000

Hmm, maybe “Loving the 100%” was better after all then?

By: For the 100%

For the 100% — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:53:41 +0000

I’m also seeing a risk of this being hijacked by those with a political agenda ~ I don’t have the answers so I’m praying for help.

By: Jock Strap

Jock Strap — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:52:03 +0000

ahh, subtle change again. Much respect, whoever you are, but please do not always assume you represent the 99/100%. That probaly does more to alienate the majority than anything else!