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By: Occupy The World

Occupy The World — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:04:01 +0000

@Andy
I’ve only just come back and noticed your comments here.
Just to clarify, I’m not one of the protestors, just someone commenting here the same as you.
You make many comments which suggest a severe lack of understanding. I hope you learn the wisdom of listening and accepting other’s viewpoints and experiences as being valid.

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By: human of planet earth

human of planet earth — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:28:26 +0000

Dill Doe,
Glad to hear you have learnt something about me, a supporter of change. Keep learning. Do not be so selective of the posts you read, there are just as many sensible people posting as non-sensible, and some of each make themselves easy targets for attackers. Lose your assumptions about people, or else I might start assuming you have your ‘name’ for good reason
Now can you please reply to some other replies I have made to you elsewhere so we can get this out of our system. Seeya around.

By: Dill Doe

Dill Doe — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:00:16 +0000

Well, good for you there Captain Canvas! Glad that you are one of the people who is getting on with you life like the rest of us in the 99%.

My problem with the Canvas Corp is that they are no longer simply protesting about financial reform but instead have shown themselves to be a bunch of anarchist hippies who want to change the whole world. I even read posts in support of the gipo squatters at Dale Farm. Disgraceful.

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:07:11 +0000

That was not meant as a personal attack on otw I was merely pointing out that its easy to blame the ‘system’ and nameless ‘them’ / ‘banker’ / ‘politician’ / ‘fill in the blank’, without taking a look at one’s self. The financial system needs to be reviewed and more strict regulation put in place so we can still trade / lend etc. within the rules but avoid situations like the one we are currently in. This is currently underway. However, I go back to my original point that, everyone should take personal responsibility for their own actions. If you’ve ever had a loan (no one forced you to take it) that you’ve defaulted on then you are directly responsible for the current situation. Going back to my rather flippant Burger analogy – they are there on sale all the time but no one is forcing you to eat them and get fat.
Loss of income is sadly a fact of life – its always been a fact of life in the private sector and likely to happen to us all at least a few times in our careers. There is no shame in it, nor should it be debilitating. Nor, for that matter any excuse for defaulting on mortgages, loans CC’s etc. You can make provision against it, even if its in the form of insurance policies. Adequate planning and taking responsibility for yourself means its possible to mitigate impact if your earnings are cut. In essence – don’t borrow the money if there is the possibility of not paying it back. As for credit being invented, I’m sure it was around a long, long time before money was ever dreamed up. In a barter society the same rules apply – “your hungry now so I’ll give you half this cow, as I can’t eat it all anyway and you can give me some of your crop of apples when they are ripe”. If Apple man’s crop fails, cow man will starve. Is that fair? (Crap example I know, but its been a long day!). Credit is credit – doesn’t have to be money.

By: human of planet earth

human of planet earth — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:48:18 +0000

all very good questions,
and too many for me to answer with my slow typing here and now, HOWEVER
It is a ‘work in progress’ …….brought about by ‘chasing the dream’………just thought I would chase a less stressful dream for a while

Thats not to say I am giving up on it, just that I alone can not possibly have all the answers, so looking for feedback to progress the ‘work in progress’
Any positive ideas will be gratefully received.

(persevere with the ‘monotone man’ it is enlightening, as a starter to a different way of thinking) I am not a cult member btw

By: human of planet earth

human of planet earth — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:34:00 +0000

@ Andy……….ouch @ o.t.w.

There is an argument/debate that if credit had not been invented there would be no debt to default on. We cannot choose to go into debt without the choice being there in the first place.
And the main reason for not being able to finance debt is a loss of income, not taking on the debt itself.
Loss of income ………discuss

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:19:51 +0000

Hello again Human! Sorry but I’ve still not had the time to listen to the clip. I will get around to it. Again it may well explain your credit system idea so forgive me if I’m asking questions about something already answered elsewhere. However flawed I think it is though, I think it is real progress for this group to actually be putting a proposal out. ‘Healing with love’ and ‘sending collective positive thoughts out’ are going to win you no favours with the non stoned masses. Do you really still buy that in 1/8ths by the way (loved the post by the way Seymour)? I’d thought it would have gone metric ages ago!
Anyhow, I digress, back to my question on the credit system. So if everyone is to do the jobs they are capable of, who is to decide who does what? For instance, a vast quantity of people are going to be able to do less skilled work i.e. street sweeper, cleaner etc (its an example and not meant to be derogatory) where as brain surgeons would be very few and far between. If they get exactly the same reward, why would anyone want to spend years of hard training (I assume you’d get study ‘credited’)? That may not be the best example as I’m sure Surgeons love their jobs and have worked toward that role because they know what they want to do – how about say for example a policeman or fireman who at some point has the unenviable task of clearing up awful disasters such as that on the M5 at the weekend or high risk jobs such as mining, deep sea diving etc. people would flock to ‘fun’ jobs as there would be no incentive whatsoever to do anything that involved long hours, hard work or stress. I for one would be out of my current job like a shot and living a very easy life doing a job that I loved. As I see it there would either have to be incentive (i.e. more credits, in which case it would be money by a different name) or by decree – that sounds like a dictatorship or communism. Only one of those works and I don’t want to live under either system. I also see your self employed. How would that work in a credit based system? With your own company I’m guessing you put a lot of hours in and possibly employ other people. If you had a successful business under the credit system, I’m guessing you would only be allowed your allocated credits – what would you do with your ‘profits’? Where would be the incentive to grow the business, employ more people etc.?

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:53:43 +0000

OtW – Maybe I’m missing the point somewhere but how are your issues of the heart and empty life a reasons to be protesting? Is it the fault of the bankers or 1% that you have been unable to find an unfulfilling job or meaning in your life? Is the the current global financial crisis that is causing you the distress? If so, you are as much to blame as any. I see in a previous post you have been declared bankrupt therefore defaulting on debt. There may have been irresponsible lending but there are two sides of the coin and everyone that has taken out a loan that they can’t afford or have defaulted on (for whatever reason) is also to blame. Its the same as those that moan that McDonalds food has made them fat – you know its crap (though it may taste nice) and not good for you so don’t eat it in the first place. If you want your life to have some meaning I’d suggest find a job that interests you and have kids. Nothing more meaningful than working to provide a realistic and attainable future for the next generation rather than just dreaming of how nice things could (but never will) be.