Comments on: Occupied Times of London – the independent newspaper of Occupy London launches

By: gtr

gtr — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 02:32:14 +0000

To quote “The Newspaper Club” website:
“Newspaper Club was made by the Really Interesting Group…”

…and to quote the “Really Interesting Group”:
“We’ve done projects for clients like Apple, Nike, Innocent, Penguin, Umbro and the BBC.”

Do you really want to print your paper with these corporate-friendly printers/designers when there are many fantastic printers’ co-ops in the UK you could be working with?

to name just a few:
http://www.footprinters.co.uk/
http://www.calverts.coop/
http://oxfordgreenprint.com/

By: Steve Peake

Steve Peake — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:13:56 +0000

Well, as far as my reading goes, the Resource Based Economy is at best a half baked idea. No specifics at all.

For reading on alternatives to the current economic system, I would recommend the New Economics Foundation and http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/. The guys at Stamp Out Poverty are pretty savvy too – some proper economists in there. Or, for a critical take on orthodox economics, I would recommend the nobel prize winning Joseph Stiglitz – particularly a book called ‘Globalisation and its discontents’

By: Promotor Fidei

Promotor Fidei — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:16:54 +0000

“Occupy London is about democracy. We are saying we do not live in a democracy, we are not listened to, we do not live in a harmonious society of equal opportunity and justice and we will not continue to be complicit in a system that sanctions excessive profiteering whilst the elderly die of the cold, families are inadequately housed,etc.etc, children go to school without any breakfast. The long list of things which should make any compassionate human being unable to bear remaining silent.”

Do you really mean ‘equal opportunity’? Are you sure you don’t mean ‘equal outcome’?

Which is the more compassionate: the society in which everything is automatically provided for by the state, or one in which people feel motivated to give to others, of their own free will?

Which is more admirable: the father who plays with his child out of a sense of duty, or the father who plays with his child because of the joy it brings him?

Do you believe that people should have the freedom to fail? Are you aware of how many times (and how badly) Steve Jobs failed, for example?

Isn’t the welfare state effectively a bailout for the individual? If not then what might such a thing look like?

By: Promotor Fidei

Promotor Fidei — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:54:25 +0000

“Quite why these were allowed, I have no idea.”

Why are OLSX disallowing things? Was there a vote on this?

“This is nothing unusual, its happened at various times thoughout the centuries, i.e English Civil war resulting in the execution of the King Charles I, who together with his son, who was also hated, adorn the archway to Paternoster Square, which was the original target for Occupylsx.”

I object to you cavalier attitude.

By: Liz Beech

Liz Beech — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:42:53 +0000

I’m visiting as often as possible. I have found the demonstration to be intelligent and thoughtful.
Of course there are no easy solutions to the state we’re in but this dialogue is the most interesting process I have participated in since the 1980′s when I lived at the women’s camp at Greenham Common. We received a similar negative response from most of the media, but, as is now history, maintained a presence there for many years.
It is ridiculous to demand that we should be presenting a done and dusted manifesto when, in the case of Occupy London, concerned people have only come together for a matter of days, constantly under pressure from ‘the authorities’ never mind the inevitable discomfort of living on a pavement.
I think it is also important to remember that a gathering of this sort would not be ‘permitted’ anywhere in the UK.
It might as well be St. Paul’s, who initially it so happens, appeared to welcome the demonstration. Anybody under the illusion that a similar gathering could take place on Dartmoor, on the beach, in a forest, Hyde Park and so on and so forth is sadly mistaken.
The irony is that conventional politicians have celebrated the occupation of significant locations in Tunisia, Libya, Tianemen Square anywhere, in fact, that they have decided has a regime which is not useful to them, always and in no uncertain terms, emphasising the importance of ‘democracy’.
Occupy London is about democracy. We are saying we do not live in a democracy, we are not listened to, we do not live in a harmonious society of equal opportunity and justice and we will not continue to be complicit in a system that sanctions excessive profiteering whilst the elderly die of the cold, families are inadequately housed,etc.etc, children go to school without any breakfast. The long list of things which should make any compassionate human being unable to bear remaining silent.
None of the foregoing has touched on the obscenity of famine and endless war.
I’ve said enough already. I will continue to visit as often as I can.

By: Matthew Frame

Matthew Frame — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:08:15 +0000

Hi, just wanted to say the paper looks ace and you are all heroes. I was there on the first day of the protest and was completely overwhelmed with the amount of people from all backgrounds who have dedicated themselves to insuring there is some sort of a future to be had for us all.
I’m an illustrator and have been working on some drawings based on the protests, you can have a look at them here…

http://mrmrframe.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/they-are-the-change-you-were-looking-for/

The blog explains it all but if you feel that in any way they would be useful to your publication let me know:) Once again, you are all heroes!

By: Martin

Martin — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:09:43 +0000

Please send story pitches and ideas to olsx.indymedia@gmail.com!

By: tmg

tmg — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:58:03 +0000

ignore last comment -I found the wishlist.

By: tmg

tmg — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:56:36 +0000

hi, I’m planning on popping down tomorrow afternoon – do you guys have a list of things you need etc?

By: brobof

brobof — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:33:37 +0000

Google “Resource Based Economy” But there are other models. Remember most of the money in circulation and even solid gold bars are largely illusory: http://gold-quote.net/en/articles/fake-tungsten-gold-bars.php The fraud does not stop with CDS and derivatives…