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		<title>By: human of planet earth</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/472#comment-2709</link>
		<dc:creator>human of planet earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Notquite99%,
Feel free to join the 1% if you prefer their company, you never know 1 of them may be realising the error of their ways and make way for you !
Rant over and seriously,
do you really expect &#039;occupy&#039; and others, who are not fully functioning political parties, to have answers all thought out at this very early stage of change ?
I also don&#039;t think they are looking for your support as you might give to current political parties. They are merely highlighting what is wrong with the current flawed system and expressing their frustrations with it, much more boldly than you or I are doing, and asking for support in wanting changes to it. The detail you are demanding is somewhat premature I feel, and pretty unfair to expect, which is a shame because I sense you are quite a reasonable person.

I consider myself to be quite rational and sensible, some might even suggest I have gained from current system, but for the sake of my children and their future even I believe we need major re-balancing of wealth, far too much of which is held by too few. On this point I am sure you would agree, I would like to think.

I understand your concerns but are they not simply selfish ones, and considering it is selfishness that has brought about the global economic worries, should we not at least thank those that are ACTIVELY doing something.

I for one am ready to suffer some pain to better my childrens future, and if that helps others along the way then all the better for it !

How about you ?  I ask sincerely ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notquite99%,<br />
Feel free to join the 1% if you prefer their company, you never know 1 of them may be realising the error of their ways and make way for you !<br />
Rant over and seriously,<br />
do you really expect &#8216;occupy&#8217; and others, who are not fully functioning political parties, to have answers all thought out at this very early stage of change ?<br />
I also don&#8217;t think they are looking for your support as you might give to current political parties. They are merely highlighting what is wrong with the current flawed system and expressing their frustrations with it, much more boldly than you or I are doing, and asking for support in wanting changes to it. The detail you are demanding is somewhat premature I feel, and pretty unfair to expect, which is a shame because I sense you are quite a reasonable person.</p>
<p>I consider myself to be quite rational and sensible, some might even suggest I have gained from current system, but for the sake of my children and their future even I believe we need major re-balancing of wealth, far too much of which is held by too few. On this point I am sure you would agree, I would like to think.</p>
<p>I understand your concerns but are they not simply selfish ones, and considering it is selfishness that has brought about the global economic worries, should we not at least thank those that are ACTIVELY doing something.</p>
<p>I for one am ready to suffer some pain to better my childrens future, and if that helps others along the way then all the better for it !</p>
<p>How about you ?  I ask sincerely ?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Shaw</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/472#comment-2708</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some don&#039;t know what&#039;s going on and therefore do nothing.

Some do know what&#039;s going on but decide, for whatever reason, to do nothing or think all&#039;s ok.

Some know what&#039;s going on, disagree and have decided to act and start some form of debate, including gathering consensus on what all the options are, this is the stage (I feel) the protest is at, where all this will lead is obviously unknown...


Just out of curiosity, have you had time to look at other Occupy movements either nationally or internationally (if only briefly)? If so, do you believe any of them are doing anything constructive/producing anything tangible or do they all, in your opinion &#039;amount to nothing&#039;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going on and therefore do nothing.</p>
<p>Some do know what&#8217;s going on but decide, for whatever reason, to do nothing or think all&#8217;s ok.</p>
<p>Some know what&#8217;s going on, disagree and have decided to act and start some form of debate, including gathering consensus on what all the options are, this is the stage (I feel) the protest is at, where all this will lead is obviously unknown&#8230;</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, have you had time to look at other Occupy movements either nationally or internationally (if only briefly)? If so, do you believe any of them are doing anything constructive/producing anything tangible or do they all, in your opinion &#8216;amount to nothing&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: GettingBoredNow</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/472#comment-2707</link>
		<dc:creator>GettingBoredNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh sorry, did I hurt the movement’s feelings with my perfectly legitimate and factually correct criticisms. You talk about democracy but as soon as people voice dissent against Occupy Napoleon’s pups come snapping out telling people to shut up.

All of the above said I may take it back tomorrow if what I read is correct. According to a few sources there are to be a set of concrete demands published tomorrow, a few of which I’ve read. Unfortunately with economically illiterate things like “get rid of the stock exchange” I think I’d rather they did keep things vague. Here’s hoping what I’ve read isn’t true.

http://news.efinancialcareers.co.uk/newsandviews_item/newsItemId-35821]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh sorry, did I hurt the movement’s feelings with my perfectly legitimate and factually correct criticisms. You talk about democracy but as soon as people voice dissent against Occupy Napoleon’s pups come snapping out telling people to shut up.</p>
<p>All of the above said I may take it back tomorrow if what I read is correct. According to a few sources there are to be a set of concrete demands published tomorrow, a few of which I’ve read. Unfortunately with economically illiterate things like “get rid of the stock exchange” I think I’d rather they did keep things vague. Here’s hoping what I’ve read isn’t true.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.efinancialcareers.co.uk/newsandviews_item/newsItemId-35821" rel="nofollow">http://news.efinancialcareers.co.uk/newsandviews_item/newsItemId-35821</a></p>
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		<title>By: windymillar66</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/472#comment-2706</link>
		<dc:creator>windymillar66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the whole human race was born from a non capitalist society, early civilisations didnt have kings and rulers. they all partook of the decision making they had homes of about equal size with running water toilets. and about 3 or 4 thousand years ago some fool invented money, the rest is history.literally. i`m glad you have enough of everything yourself, but most of the planets nom7 billion people have nothing or next to nothing at all. this movement i hope has a more global view than just getting the &quot;west&quot; sorted out. i`m not sure why people think they need a billion quid of personal wealth, let alone 2 3 4 or more. grinding mountains to dust for gold, just to melt it into bricks and lock it in a room . its insane! better invest time effort and money into obtaining things we actually do need. this kind of waste for greed is as bad war profiting and theft. capitalism is about a free market, we dont have that either. monopolies and price fixing, both deliberate and thru the stoke market gambling rule out competition, or else things would be much much cheaper!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the whole human race was born from a non capitalist society, early civilisations didnt have kings and rulers. they all partook of the decision making they had homes of about equal size with running water toilets. and about 3 or 4 thousand years ago some fool invented money, the rest is history.literally. i`m glad you have enough of everything yourself, but most of the planets nom7 billion people have nothing or next to nothing at all. this movement i hope has a more global view than just getting the &#8220;west&#8221; sorted out. i`m not sure why people think they need a billion quid of personal wealth, let alone 2 3 4 or more. grinding mountains to dust for gold, just to melt it into bricks and lock it in a room . its insane! better invest time effort and money into obtaining things we actually do need. this kind of waste for greed is as bad war profiting and theft. capitalism is about a free market, we dont have that either. monopolies and price fixing, both deliberate and thru the stoke market gambling rule out competition, or else things would be much much cheaper!!!</p>
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		<title>By: windymillar66</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/472#comment-2705</link>
		<dc:creator>windymillar66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[participating in this political system isnt an option realy, as it ruled by the theives we want shot of. no wonder your bored you seem less aware of the world than me, and i`m a recluse who`s been on line for almost 3 whole days now. never even used a computational gizmo like this befor. but i`m looking after my daughters kitty cats and saw it on her desk and tho it took 5 nin`s to learn how to useit but 45 to turn the monitor on. i had to participate in the movement. it needs everyones support, not putting down or moaning at. if you only have negative things to say, shut up for a while and think about wot it is you would like to be done for humanity and then speak up. the movement needs input not put downs, far to much of that already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>participating in this political system isnt an option realy, as it ruled by the theives we want shot of. no wonder your bored you seem less aware of the world than me, and i`m a recluse who`s been on line for almost 3 whole days now. never even used a computational gizmo like this befor. but i`m looking after my daughters kitty cats and saw it on her desk and tho it took 5 nin`s to learn how to useit but 45 to turn the monitor on. i had to participate in the movement. it needs everyones support, not putting down or moaning at. if you only have negative things to say, shut up for a while and think about wot it is you would like to be done for humanity and then speak up. the movement needs input not put downs, far to much of that already.</p>
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		<title>By: notquite99%</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/472#comment-2704</link>
		<dc:creator>notquite99%</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love it when people who jump on the latest trendy band wagon accuse thinking people of being brain washed when they can&#039;t see the Emporers rags.

In what way do you think I am a brain washed individual, or that I am being denied a share of the pie that is more than I need ?
I am quite happy with my share of the economy it gets me to Maslow&#039;s third tier, the rest is not dependent on money.
If someone else needs it for that, then good luck to them, I like to watch how they churn the wheel to get the goodies that they think will make them happy, knowing it doesn&#039;t make a damn difference to them.
Your idea is fine until you ask the question, how do people with ideas raise the cash to pay the staff to develop the ideas that will benefit the people?
Tell me of a single medical achievement that has come from a non capitalist society ? I can think of one, but can you ?
Before you start, no I don&#039;t read the daily Mail (nice bit of Irony someone accusing someone else of being prejudiced and then assuming that they read the Daily Mail !)
I have lived a life, not just in the UK but in Africa and in India, and I can assure you that it&#039;s not just rich people that aspire to have more money.
There is a saying that we start life as Socialists and we die as capitalists, do we become more naive?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it when people who jump on the latest trendy band wagon accuse thinking people of being brain washed when they can&#8217;t see the Emporers rags.</p>
<p>In what way do you think I am a brain washed individual, or that I am being denied a share of the pie that is more than I need ?<br />
I am quite happy with my share of the economy it gets me to Maslow&#8217;s third tier, the rest is not dependent on money.<br />
If someone else needs it for that, then good luck to them, I like to watch how they churn the wheel to get the goodies that they think will make them happy, knowing it doesn&#8217;t make a damn difference to them.<br />
Your idea is fine until you ask the question, how do people with ideas raise the cash to pay the staff to develop the ideas that will benefit the people?<br />
Tell me of a single medical achievement that has come from a non capitalist society ? I can think of one, but can you ?<br />
Before you start, no I don&#8217;t read the daily Mail (nice bit of Irony someone accusing someone else of being prejudiced and then assuming that they read the Daily Mail !)<br />
I have lived a life, not just in the UK but in Africa and in India, and I can assure you that it&#8217;s not just rich people that aspire to have more money.<br />
There is a saying that we start life as Socialists and we die as capitalists, do we become more naive?</p>
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		<title>By: GettingBoredNow</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/472#comment-2703</link>
		<dc:creator>GettingBoredNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m not asking for anything to be sorted out over night I’m just asking for some movement towards something tangible not side shows like Dale Farm or prisoner solidarity. I’m not going to join a movement if I don’t know what it actually stands for. Why do you have such a problem that?

Occupy lsx is doing nothing, it’s not highlighting anything that people weren’t already aware of and it has nothing useful to say either about our current financial crisis or politics, it is as it stands an incoherent mess and it will remain so unless it develops some focus and sets an achievable goal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not asking for anything to be sorted out over night I’m just asking for some movement towards something tangible not side shows like Dale Farm or prisoner solidarity. I’m not going to join a movement if I don’t know what it actually stands for. Why do you have such a problem that?</p>
<p>Occupy lsx is doing nothing, it’s not highlighting anything that people weren’t already aware of and it has nothing useful to say either about our current financial crisis or politics, it is as it stands an incoherent mess and it will remain so unless it develops some focus and sets an achievable goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Shaw</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/472#comment-2702</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[....for heavens sake drop the ruddy bike ride issue, were you knocked down by or did you fall off one as a kid or something?

&#039;Semantics&#039;= should/could

Of course this god awful mess can&#039;t be put right overnight and I don&#039;t think the &#039;Occupy&#039; movement believe this to be the case either, there is no magic wand. But the event is highlighting a very serious dynamic inextricably linked to our world society, the dynamic of banking (and all its complexities) is one that we are borne into and accept (somewhat blindly) as the only acceptable norm, this system is now taking the p*ss and people are saying &#039;enough is enough&#039;. In some ways I feel the international occupations are symbolic of this anger and discontentment, raising the profile of a problem and attempting to instigate debate. Discussions don&#039;t have to be carried out at St. Paul&#039;s or Finsbury, there&#039;s nothing at all stopping people holding local meetings and feeding back to &#039;Occupy&#039;. As far as I know the protesters have never lead anyone to believe that they have all the answers to all the complicated and convoluted problems that we are feeling the brunt of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.for heavens sake drop the ruddy bike ride issue, were you knocked down by or did you fall off one as a kid or something?</p>
<p>&#8216;Semantics&#8217;= should/could</p>
<p>Of course this god awful mess can&#8217;t be put right overnight and I don&#8217;t think the &#8216;Occupy&#8217; movement believe this to be the case either, there is no magic wand. But the event is highlighting a very serious dynamic inextricably linked to our world society, the dynamic of banking (and all its complexities) is one that we are borne into and accept (somewhat blindly) as the only acceptable norm, this system is now taking the p*ss and people are saying &#8216;enough is enough&#8217;. In some ways I feel the international occupations are symbolic of this anger and discontentment, raising the profile of a problem and attempting to instigate debate. Discussions don&#8217;t have to be carried out at St. Paul&#8217;s or Finsbury, there&#8217;s nothing at all stopping people holding local meetings and feeding back to &#8216;Occupy&#8217;. As far as I know the protesters have never lead anyone to believe that they have all the answers to all the complicated and convoluted problems that we are feeling the brunt of.</p>
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		<title>By: GettingBoredNow</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/472#comment-2701</link>
		<dc:creator>GettingBoredNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shaun,

Semantics?

It comes down to this, Occupy LSX is asking people to support change without giving them any idea on how things should change.

You can keep believing that it’s up to everyone to come up with a plan but that’s not realistic, most regular people don’t have the time or money or the breadth of knowledge and the best they can do is give their “seal of approval” as you call it.

If, whenever the movement is asked about what is to be done their answer is “why don’t you come up with something” then the whole thing will amount to nothing which is exactly what is happening.

“I disagree totally with your view that ‘everyone is aware’…there are people from all walks of life and of all ages that do not understand the banking system, it’s origins and inherent caveats”

And a bike ride is going to teach them is it?

You’re never going to teach everyone the ins and outs of economics, business and finance, that takes years of education and experience, reading a few blogs or watching a youtube video or two isn’t going to do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,</p>
<p>Semantics?</p>
<p>It comes down to this, Occupy LSX is asking people to support change without giving them any idea on how things should change.</p>
<p>You can keep believing that it’s up to everyone to come up with a plan but that’s not realistic, most regular people don’t have the time or money or the breadth of knowledge and the best they can do is give their “seal of approval” as you call it.</p>
<p>If, whenever the movement is asked about what is to be done their answer is “why don’t you come up with something” then the whole thing will amount to nothing which is exactly what is happening.</p>
<p>“I disagree totally with your view that ‘everyone is aware’…there are people from all walks of life and of all ages that do not understand the banking system, it’s origins and inherent caveats”</p>
<p>And a bike ride is going to teach them is it?</p>
<p>You’re never going to teach everyone the ins and outs of economics, business and finance, that takes years of education and experience, reading a few blogs or watching a youtube video or two isn’t going to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Shaw</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/472#comment-2700</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[....and I haven&#039;t got the time to get into a discussion that&#039;s partly morphing into one based on semantics. You carry on with your studies and let others do the protesting and the composition of a manifesto. I&#039;m sure, when completed, they&#039;ll pass it by you so that you can apply your seal of approval :-)...and, just to clarify, I don&#039;t believe anyone&#039;s putting any pressure on you to physically come down to London. In addition, I disagree totally with your view that &#039;everyone is aware&#039;...there are people from all walks of life and of all ages that do not understand the banking system, it&#039;s origins and inherent caveats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.and I haven&#8217;t got the time to get into a discussion that&#8217;s partly morphing into one based on semantics. You carry on with your studies and let others do the protesting and the composition of a manifesto. I&#8217;m sure, when completed, they&#8217;ll pass it by you so that you can apply your seal of approval <img src='http://occupylondon.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;and, just to clarify, I don&#8217;t believe anyone&#8217;s putting any pressure on you to physically come down to London. In addition, I disagree totally with your view that &#8216;everyone is aware&#8217;&#8230;there are people from all walks of life and of all ages that do not understand the banking system, it&#8217;s origins and inherent caveats.</p>
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