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		<title>By: stephanie</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/1205#comment-5161</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dill Doe,

In earlier posts you where insisting people come up with &#039;specifics&#039; and claiming the movement was far too wide in its scope. You are the now contradicting yourself by labelling us as radicals. WAKE UP!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dill Doe,</p>
<p>In earlier posts you where insisting people come up with &#8216;specifics&#8217; and claiming the movement was far too wide in its scope. You are the now contradicting yourself by labelling us as radicals. WAKE UP!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/1205#comment-5160</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are some pretty big conclusions and assumptions there.  I’d like to respond to each:

1 – I agree with you and am glad your at last not suggesting that ‘occupy’ are representing ‘99%’ or even indeed a majority.

2 – Good.  Again you are getting somewhere; categorical things that you are protesting about, though I think you still need to be more specific.  i.e. who is greedy and corrupt (or does it count for every banker, financial worker, politician, policeman etc. ?) ?

3 – Why?  I in no way support you,  but I am also against excessive greed and corruption.  Just because I don’t agree with your ‘movement’, the way in which you go about things, the lack of direction, the flouting of the law, etc., it doesn’t mean that I ‘have my eyes shut’ as rather arrogantly stated by many on this web site.  Perhaps the tented ones should take their own advice on that front and stop drawing conclustions on the large majority of the population.

4 – Agreed, though it is by no means the exclusive contributing factor.

5 – I’ve heard that statistic but have no way of verifying.  However, I agree that whatever the number, kids should not be dying unnecessarily.

6 – So why stop there?  Surely its only one more ill informed leap to conclude that anyone that doesn’t support you and is not out squatting in a bank or cluttering up public streets is a child killer?  Brilliant.  That should round up support for you.

7 – Good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some pretty big conclusions and assumptions there.  I’d like to respond to each:</p>
<p>1 – I agree with you and am glad your at last not suggesting that ‘occupy’ are representing ‘99%’ or even indeed a majority.</p>
<p>2 – Good.  Again you are getting somewhere; categorical things that you are protesting about, though I think you still need to be more specific.  i.e. who is greedy and corrupt (or does it count for every banker, financial worker, politician, policeman etc. ?) ?</p>
<p>3 – Why?  I in no way support you,  but I am also against excessive greed and corruption.  Just because I don’t agree with your ‘movement’, the way in which you go about things, the lack of direction, the flouting of the law, etc., it doesn’t mean that I ‘have my eyes shut’ as rather arrogantly stated by many on this web site.  Perhaps the tented ones should take their own advice on that front and stop drawing conclustions on the large majority of the population.</p>
<p>4 – Agreed, though it is by no means the exclusive contributing factor.</p>
<p>5 – I’ve heard that statistic but have no way of verifying.  However, I agree that whatever the number, kids should not be dying unnecessarily.</p>
<p>6 – So why stop there?  Surely its only one more ill informed leap to conclude that anyone that doesn’t support you and is not out squatting in a bank or cluttering up public streets is a child killer?  Brilliant.  That should round up support for you.</p>
<p>7 – Good.</p>
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		<title>By: Redscribe</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/1205#comment-5159</link>
		<dc:creator>Redscribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Light moderation seems like a good idea to me. Insulting postings from trolls using sex-toys or genital extensions as names spoil any serious discussion and make a mockery of democracy.

If you are so concerned about your democratic rights, try standing for election somewhere using a pornographic pseudonym and see how far you get with the Electoral Commission.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Light moderation seems like a good idea to me. Insulting postings from trolls using sex-toys or genital extensions as names spoil any serious discussion and make a mockery of democracy.</p>
<p>If you are so concerned about your democratic rights, try standing for election somewhere using a pornographic pseudonym and see how far you get with the Electoral Commission.</p>
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		<title>By: tracy</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/1205#comment-5158</link>
		<dc:creator>tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LG the fact that your comments above have been allowed negates your argument.

According to the Independent on Friday, it is the banks that are overthrowing governments. Here&#039;s a link for you:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/what-price-the-new-democracy-goldman-sachs-conquers-europe-6264091.html

I would love to hear your thoughts on this...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LG the fact that your comments above have been allowed negates your argument.</p>
<p>According to the Independent on Friday, it is the banks that are overthrowing governments. Here&#8217;s a link for you:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/what-price-the-new-democracy-goldman-sachs-conquers-europe-6264091.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/what-price-the-new-democracy-goldman-sachs-conquers-europe-6264091.html</a></p>
<p>I would love to hear your thoughts on this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tracy</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/1205#comment-5157</link>
		<dc:creator>tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear LG,

I am sorry you feel that way. Please be assured London will not become the new Bagdad – it has no oil fields.
Please do read more posts and comments on this site. I hope you will be heartened to see that a great many of us care deeply about the future for everyone and are working hard for a better life for all.
I too was disheartened to hear about the death in America, please Google this though and you will see he did not die in an occupation camp but on the streets of Oakland.  I too was saddened to read reports of assaults on females. The Occupy Movement has responded to this by setting up tranquility groups. They patrol the camps at night and do their best to make the space safe for one and all. In London the tranquility group have already prevented one homeless man from committing suicide.
Speaking from personal experience, I have been down  to Occupy LSX on my own ( I’m female ) on several occasions at night and have felt the camp to be a haven from the threats of city life. I ‘ve been given blankets when I was cold, food when I was hungry and have engaged in some of the most intelligent debate I have known in years.  I encourage you to go down to one of the camps and have your own experiences.
I’m afraid I haven’t seen any videos of protesters attempting to bait police officers into violence. Could you perhaps provide some links to corroborate this?
I have however, seen many videos of un-provoked police violence. If you have the time here are some interesting links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDolkwG2oKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM&amp;feature=youtu.be

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/occupy-wall-street-nov-17-journalists-arrested-beaten_n_1099661.html

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/police-pen-up-and-mace-female-occupy-wall-street-protesters/

http://againstpoliceviolence.blogspot.com/2011/08/three-deaths-in-one-week-after-non.html


It is well known that violence begets violence and I urge protesters to remain peaceful in response to police brutality.  Also, it is logical that with anything on such a huge scale there will be a minority of people who see violence as a means to an end.

I’d like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the power of non-violent protest. Here are some links to some well thought articles on the matter.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/02/the-power-of-nonviolent-resistance/71544/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolence

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/aug/25/martin-luther-king-washington-tar-sands-protest

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-schwartz/the-sometimes-incredible-_b_823654.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear LG,</p>
<p>I am sorry you feel that way. Please be assured London will not become the new Bagdad – it has no oil fields.<br />
Please do read more posts and comments on this site. I hope you will be heartened to see that a great many of us care deeply about the future for everyone and are working hard for a better life for all.<br />
I too was disheartened to hear about the death in America, please Google this though and you will see he did not die in an occupation camp but on the streets of Oakland.  I too was saddened to read reports of assaults on females. The Occupy Movement has responded to this by setting up tranquility groups. They patrol the camps at night and do their best to make the space safe for one and all. In London the tranquility group have already prevented one homeless man from committing suicide.<br />
Speaking from personal experience, I have been down  to Occupy LSX on my own ( I’m female ) on several occasions at night and have felt the camp to be a haven from the threats of city life. I ‘ve been given blankets when I was cold, food when I was hungry and have engaged in some of the most intelligent debate I have known in years.  I encourage you to go down to one of the camps and have your own experiences.<br />
I’m afraid I haven’t seen any videos of protesters attempting to bait police officers into violence. Could you perhaps provide some links to corroborate this?<br />
I have however, seen many videos of un-provoked police violence. If you have the time here are some interesting links.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDolkwG2oKs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDolkwG2oKs</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM&#038;feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM&#038;feature=youtu.be</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/occupy-wall-street-nov-17-journalists-arrested-beaten_n_1099661.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/occupy-wall-street-nov-17-journalists-arrested-beaten_n_1099661.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/police-pen-up-and-mace-female-occupy-wall-street-protesters/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/police-pen-up-and-mace-female-occupy-wall-street-protesters/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://againstpoliceviolence.blogspot.com/2011/08/three-deaths-in-one-week-after-non.html" rel="nofollow">http://againstpoliceviolence.blogspot.com/2011/08/three-deaths-in-one-week-after-non.html</a></p>
<p>It is well known that violence begets violence and I urge protesters to remain peaceful in response to police brutality.  Also, it is logical that with anything on such a huge scale there will be a minority of people who see violence as a means to an end.</p>
<p>I’d like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the power of non-violent protest. Here are some links to some well thought articles on the matter.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/02/the-power-of-nonviolent-resistance/71544/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/02/the-power-of-nonviolent-resistance/71544/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolence" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolence</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/aug/25/martin-luther-king-washington-tar-sands-protest" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/aug/25/martin-luther-king-washington-tar-sands-protest</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-schwartz/the-sometimes-incredible-_b_823654.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-schwartz/the-sometimes-incredible-_b_823654.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Interested by-stander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested by-stander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for confirming that you oppose the Occupy movement, Dill Doe. I see things like this.

1. Some support Occupy; some don&#039;t; many have yet to decide.

2. Occupy is against greed and corruption.

3. Those who are opposed to Occupy therefore support greed and corruption.

4. Greed and corruption lead to hardship for many, including children.

5. A child dies of hunger every five seconds.

6. Thanks for confirming your support of the needless deaths of a million children per year, Dill Doe.

7. I have no further comments to make.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for confirming that you oppose the Occupy movement, Dill Doe. I see things like this.</p>
<p>1. Some support Occupy; some don&#8217;t; many have yet to decide.</p>
<p>2. Occupy is against greed and corruption.</p>
<p>3. Those who are opposed to Occupy therefore support greed and corruption.</p>
<p>4. Greed and corruption lead to hardship for many, including children.</p>
<p>5. A child dies of hunger every five seconds.</p>
<p>6. Thanks for confirming your support of the needless deaths of a million children per year, Dill Doe.</p>
<p>7. I have no further comments to make.</p>
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		<title>By: human of planet earth</title>
		<link>http://occupylondon.org.uk/archives/1205#comment-5155</link>
		<dc:creator>human of planet earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DD watch the above 2 clips would you please, I will show my appreciation if you do ! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DD watch the above 2 clips would you please, I will show my appreciation if you do ! <img src='http://occupylondon.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: human of planet earth</title>
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		<dc:creator>human of planet earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, but re your taxi driver, you need to watch this clip about the mayor of new york, especially when he talks about &#039;a god damned batman movie&#039;
it kind of overwhelms your point I think, but please let me know how you feel about it.sincerely.

Yes I accept some local to st. pauls may be being affected, but I would suggest this is as much to do with economic crisis as it is the &#039;camp&#039;, and perhaps on the contrary, the fuss around the camp may well be bringing more people to the area than might have been the case had they not set up there. I believe that, other than a few businesses at st. pauls, that there are millions of people being affected adversely in London, the Uk, Europe, the western supposedly civilised world, etc.
This is about the bigger picture.

Please watch the clip, sincerely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoG9PmdGaT8&amp;feature=youtu.be
and this one is very enlightening too, whatever way your views sway.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01771pd/HARDtalk_Kyle_Bass_Founder_Hayman_Capital_Hedge_Fund/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but re your taxi driver, you need to watch this clip about the mayor of new york, especially when he talks about &#8216;a god damned batman movie&#8217;<br />
it kind of overwhelms your point I think, but please let me know how you feel about it.sincerely.</p>
<p>Yes I accept some local to st. pauls may be being affected, but I would suggest this is as much to do with economic crisis as it is the &#8216;camp&#8217;, and perhaps on the contrary, the fuss around the camp may well be bringing more people to the area than might have been the case had they not set up there. I believe that, other than a few businesses at st. pauls, that there are millions of people being affected adversely in London, the Uk, Europe, the western supposedly civilised world, etc.<br />
This is about the bigger picture.</p>
<p>Please watch the clip, sincerely.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoG9PmdGaT8&#038;feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoG9PmdGaT8&#038;feature=youtu.be</a><br />
and this one is very enlightening too, whatever way your views sway.<br />
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01771pd/HARDtalk_Kyle_Bass_Founder_Hayman_Capital_Hedge_Fund/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01771pd/HARDtalk_Kyle_Bass_Founder_Hayman_Capital_Hedge_Fund/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LG - surprised your post got though &#039;moderation&#039;!  I suspect your views better reflect those of the majority of the population; they certainly do mine.  I initially came onto this site as I was curious as to what the protest was all about.  Unfortunately, I’m still at a loss as to what, specific issues they are complaining about or what solutions they are putting forward.  Now they have started their first squat, I have lost what little interest I had.  It’s a shame as there are obviously a few people here with well meaning intentions and maybe and good idea or two, but they will now be branded in with the left wing idiots intent on a fight with the police, and they will not get their voices heard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LG &#8211; surprised your post got though &#8216;moderation&#8217;!  I suspect your views better reflect those of the majority of the population; they certainly do mine.  I initially came onto this site as I was curious as to what the protest was all about.  Unfortunately, I’m still at a loss as to what, specific issues they are complaining about or what solutions they are putting forward.  Now they have started their first squat, I have lost what little interest I had.  It’s a shame as there are obviously a few people here with well meaning intentions and maybe and good idea or two, but they will now be branded in with the left wing idiots intent on a fight with the police, and they will not get their voices heard.</p>
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		<title>By: LG</title>
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		<dc:creator>LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what your saying is that the great people fighting for freedom and what they interpret as a real democracy are now picking and choosing what they want on their website and regardless of saying its for rude comments there&#039;s nothing to say that you won&#039;t just pull comments that don&#039;t agree with your views as you can deny it but we will never know will we?

Just like to say nice going down the route of the autocratic leadership and the path the real USSR did, as with third world dictators you are wielding your power over free expression even Youtube and other websites allow you to post comments when you can and through all the spam and offensive comments have never needed to consor anything so it&#039;s very shady your website decided to implement this.

But I suppose it doesn&#039;t surprise me, I mean the hacktivists Annonymous claim to be for the freedom of speech and they attack anyone who doesn&#039;t agree with them so I guess if we believe that bour government doesn&#039;t really let us have free speech and your not now then history is repeating which begs the question as to the legitimacy of your movement, if YOU could overthrow the government and remove capitalism would you turn this country into Afghanistan and take the throne that the Taleban did?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what your saying is that the great people fighting for freedom and what they interpret as a real democracy are now picking and choosing what they want on their website and regardless of saying its for rude comments there&#8217;s nothing to say that you won&#8217;t just pull comments that don&#8217;t agree with your views as you can deny it but we will never know will we?</p>
<p>Just like to say nice going down the route of the autocratic leadership and the path the real USSR did, as with third world dictators you are wielding your power over free expression even Youtube and other websites allow you to post comments when you can and through all the spam and offensive comments have never needed to consor anything so it&#8217;s very shady your website decided to implement this.</p>
<p>But I suppose it doesn&#8217;t surprise me, I mean the hacktivists Annonymous claim to be for the freedom of speech and they attack anyone who doesn&#8217;t agree with them so I guess if we believe that bour government doesn&#8217;t really let us have free speech and your not now then history is repeating which begs the question as to the legitimacy of your movement, if YOU could overthrow the government and remove capitalism would you turn this country into Afghanistan and take the throne that the Taleban did?</p>
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